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Internet Engineering Task Force                                P. Savola
Internet Draft                                                 CSC/FUNET
Expiration Date: May 2003
                                                           November 2002


                   Moving from 6bone to IPv6 Internet

                  draft-savola-v6ops-6bone-mess-01.txt

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Abstract

   Currently, IPv6 Internet is, globally considered, inseparable from
   the 6bone network.  The 6bone has been built as a tighly meshed
   tunneled topology.  As the number of participants has grown, it has
   become an untangible mess, hindering the real deployment of IPv6 due
   to low quality of connections.  This memo discusses the nature and
   the state of 6bone/IPv6 Internet, points out problems and outlines a
   few ways to start fixing them; also, some rough operational
   guidelines for different-sized organizations are presented.  The most
   important issues are: not offering transit to everyone and real
   transit operators being needed to take a more active role.








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Table of Contents

   1.  Introduction  ...............................................   2
   2.  Current 6bone Routing Practises  ............................   3
   3.  Identifying the Problem Areas  ..............................   4
   4.  Coping with the Administrative Problems  ....................   5
   5.  Coping with the Connectivity Problems  ......................   5
     5.1.  Wait for Transit Providers  .............................   6
     5.2.  Adjust BGP Path Selection or Route Visibility  ..........   6
       5.2.1.  Example of Route Visibility Control  ................   8
     5.3.  Create Hierarchy and Control Transit  ...................   9
     5.4.  Continue as Before  .....................................   9
   6.  Guidelines for Proper Routing Policy  .......................   9
     6.1.  Guidelines for End-sites  ...............................   9
     6.2.  Guidelines for Small or Medium-sized ISPs  ..............  10
     6.3.  Guidelines for Transit sTLA/pTLA's  .....................  11
   7.  Example of Controlled Transit in 6NET  ......................  12
   8.  The Role of 6bone in the Future  ............................  13
   9.  Acknowledgements  ...........................................  13
   10.  Security Considerations  ...................................  13
   11.  References  ................................................  13
     11.1.  Informative References  ................................  13
   Author's Address  ...............................................  14
   A.  Some Vendor-Specific Problems with Communities  .............  14




1. Introduction

   Currently, IPv6 Internet is, globally considered, inseparable from
   the 6bone network.  The 6bone has been built as a tighly meshed
   tunneled topology.  As the number of participants has grown, it has
   become an untangible mess, hindering the real deployment of IPv6 due
   to low quality of connections.

   Some consider that "6bone" is not (current) "IPv6 Internet".  This is
   wrong, and seems to be just denying the problems.  Some operators do
   manage IPv6 on production-level, yes, even connect to some other IPv6
   providers, but that is far from something that can be called "IPv6
   Internet": IPv6 Internet is the network which is used to reach the
   vast majority (at least 90-95%) of sites a user would ever wish to
   visit.  That amount of connectivity (however bad, as described later)
   is only available through "6bone network".

   This memo tries to outline some ways to gain better connectivity for
   the future IPv6 Internet.  This can be done by increasing the quality
   of 6bone (in some applicable parts) and moving the 6bone network to



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   the edges of the IPv6 Internet (in some other applicable parts).

   6bone [6BONE] can be considered to consist of two, partially
   dependent parts: addressing and routing.  In this memo, we focus
   mainly on the routing.  Additionally, only the routing at the
   pTLA/sTLA level is considered in detail: sites are outside of scope
   except for the guidelines section.

   It should be noted that as addressing and routing are quite
   independent, the same problems also exist, in addition to 6bone-
   allocated pTLA's, with RIR-allocated "sTLA" addresses too.  It can
   often be assumed, though, that those organizations are at least
   slightly more knowledgeable and serious than an average pTLA holder,
   due to the process it takes to get an sTLA if you're not an
   equivalent of Local Internet Registry (LIR).  Nevertheless, these are
   considered as one category.

   First, the structure and a bit of history of 6bone network is
   mentioned.  Then, the current problem areas are described.  In
   sections 4 and 5, some possible approaches to these problems are
   outlined.  In section 6, some rough guidelines for different kinds of
   organizations are given.  In section 7, an example of a policy in
   6NET network is summarized.  Last, in section 8, the change in the
   nature of 6bone these would cause is described.

2. Current 6bone Routing Practises

   One of the reasons 6bone still exists today, in roughly the same form
   it existed years ago, is that many big ISP's and transit providers do
   not support IPv6 yet.

   This causes a big problem.  Smaller organizations, but still ones big
   enough to qualify for a pTLA/sTLA, do not have natural IPv6 transit
   providers: either natively via IPv6 or via tunneling techniques.
   Other transit providers already supporting IPv6 may be rightfully
   resistant to taking the burden of terminating tunnels and providing
   transit, as there is no customer relationship.

   This is the root cause why 6bone network is a mess: as there is no
   hierarchy, most sites try to gain good connectivity by creating
   tighter mesh to other pTLA/sTLA's: increase the number of virtual
   peers by creating tunnels.

   The increased number of peers is an alarming fact in itself but it
   gets worse: most of these pTLA/sTLA's also provide full transit
   service to every one of their other pTLA/sTLA peers.  Often this is
   done because it "ensures" the others do it as well, one's position in
   the 6bone network is viewed as significant enough to warrant it, etc.



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   [6BROUTING] does not really take any stance on issues like these.

3. Identifying the Problem Areas

   One should try to identify which issues are really causing problems.

   High amount of BGP peers is not bad in itself, but leads to extreme
   scaling problems of grade O(N^2) (or at least O(N)) with meshed
   topology.  If one only advertised your own routes through multiple
   BGP peers but provided no transit, there would be no significant
   problems, except with unnecessary scaling.  Some hierarchy would be
   required.

   Using IPv6-in-IPv4 tunneling is also not so bad in itself, if used
   properly; for example, tunneling over resilient IPv4 connectivity
   within one AS could be seen as highly advantageous to using
   dedicatede circuits for IPv6 under some circumstances.  However, the
   problem is that tunneling hides the natural, underlying topology: a
   link may actually consist of many hops, going through many different
   administrative and technical entities.  As such, it becomes very
   difficult to debug and notice the real problems when using "long"
   tunnels.  Tunneling can also be used to gain connectivity in the
   absence of native IPv6; as long as one does not provide transit
   through such "long tunnels", you can only shoot yourself in the foot.

   Using old hardware, slow connections and such is a also a potential
   problem, in particular when coupled with transit (as there are more
   users, and it may be difficult to tell what others will require from
   the network).  For example, using old routers and e.g. T1/Ethernet
   -grade connections (even if dedicated) may be ample for some, but
   totally inadequate for others.  Transit should not be provided unless
   the infrastructure is good enough to cope with it, as this may only
   degrade others' performance.

   Often the pTLA/sTLA's operators are "hobbyists" and providing transit
   service is not their main business, and monitoring and developing the
   network is not one of their priorities: for example, the time it
   takes for new "prefix list filters" to be upgraded throughout the
   systems should be an evidence of that.  It's often noticed that,
   perhaps in excitement, some want to try "bigger shoes" than they
   currently have: this is problematic, as most do not have experience
   or capabilities to deal with the new responsibilities properly.

   Full transit, especially in conjunction with points above is the
   worst problem: there are no longer useful metrics to choose best
   paths (as AS-path length, the most imporant global metric in BGP path
   selection, becomes next to useless), and the network topology gets
   extremely complicated and unstable.  Some metric can naturally be



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   assigned locally, with usually significant effort, but these are
   indeed often only locally useful.

4. Coping with the Administrative Problems

   Some of the problems are more of an administrative nature.  It is
   clearly visible that under current pTLA assignment policy
   [6BROUTING], there are many organizations which are not significant-
   enough ISP's, transits or such but are still getting pTLA's.  This is
   a double-edged sword: in the absence of IPv6 support by their
   upstreams, it could be argued it's good that at least someone will do
   something about IPv6 (note, extending this argument, they should also
   provide the same services as their ISP would -- ie. not only reap the
   benefits but also take up the responsibilities); on the other hand,
   these organizations usually have neither skills, equipment nor
   customers to understand the operational aspects of being part of a
   world-wide network, and are the ones worst burdening the 6bone.

   Therefore, as one step, the requirements for a pTLA should be made
   stricter by revising [6BROUTING]; the revised edition should also
   take more stance on what kind of organization would be eligible for
   an allocation (a difficult thing to define precisely, to be sure).
   However, as there is an effort to merge pTLA allocation effort with
   RIR's, this might be just enough to handle this problem for future
   applicants.

   Another thing to consider would be whether pTLA allocations could be
   revoked from "irresponsible" operators (even more difficult thing to
   define as before), possibly as a consequence to not conforming to
   possible new guidelines for pTLA's.  This might eliminate some
   specific problematic operators, but it might be that then the focus
   would just shift to the others; in general, removing existing
   allocations is a very harsh measure and it is unprobable that it
   could be done except for special reasons.

5. Coping with the Connectivity Problems

   There are a few main approaches to the connectivity problems
   described above:

      1. Wait until a significant number of transit providers support
         IPv6 and only try to get anything stable then

      2. Try to devise mechanisms to adjust BGP path selection to take
         the problems into the account






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      3. Try to create some, partial hierarchy and control transit while
         waiting for transit providers

      4. Continue as before, and establish even better connections by
         getting more peers and participate in the "arms race"

   These are discussed in order.

5.1. Wait for Transit Providers

   Eventually, transit providers should get interested, especially if
   enough ISP's start bugging them, asking for (and possibly even paying
   for) the service.

   However, at least latecomers may not understand how the current 6bone
   network works (or really: does not work), just connecting to it and
   being happy: repeating the old mistakes.  This seems to be happening
   regularly.  A more active role will be required of full-fledged
   transit providers if they wish to provide good quality IPv6
   connections.

   Also, this leads to waiting.  As it is, IPv6 connections around the
   world are, generally speaking, very poor.  It is irresponsible to
   turn on IPv6 by default on e.g. operating systems, as that would only
   lead to a lower quality for the user: for example, if a website is
   IPv4/6 dual-stack, trying to use IPv6 by default is often much
   slower, and should be avoided until the network is in a reasonably
   good shape.

   This is how the network will eventually evolve, but the author
   believes some solutions must be done in the meantime to make it
   easier to really start using IPv6: currently, it is often a painful
   experience.

   It should be noted that even though some big transit providers do
   support IPv6 already, the connections to other IPv6 networks is
   lacking: "walled gardens" look nice on powerpoint presentations but
   do not really help in global IPv6 deployment.

5.2. Adjust BGP Path Selection or Route Visibility

   Some might even suggest BGP specification modifications (e.g. taking
   a lower layer end-to-end latency into account), but those are
   definitely considered out of scope: only operational measures are
   discussed.

   One could try to devise some (more or less) common rules to relay the
   information about real properties of the paths, for example:



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     o Use AS-path prepending (e.g. 1..5 times) every time external
       tunneling is used, e.g. one for every (roughly) 50 ms or
       something.

     o Use Multi-Exit-Discriminator (MED) attribute to convey a more
       fine-grained version of this: MED is not really usable in itself,
       in the 6bone context, but some pre-defined values could be used
       to signal the quality to the peers.

     o Use Community tagging to convey even more fine-grained policy,
       like often used by IPv4 transits today.

   If some of these were used in the global context, it would be
   necessary to have everybody upgrade their policies.  Experience has
   shown that this is difficult, and likely to only shift traffic around
   to those (even worse) organizations that neglect modifying the
   policies.

   Therefore, it would seem likely that one must not depend on global
   applicability, but rather, employ it in a some smaller scope (like a
   region, country, ...).

   Intuition would suggest that AS-path prepending would be easiest fix
   for some of the problems because it requires not so much coordination
   when used properly.  However, if some most responsible parties
   perform prepending (e.g. for long tunnels they have), it is likely
   that the most irresponsible just end up advertising the non-prepended
   paths: this can be avoided by only applying the mechanisms in smaller
   scopes where everyone can be considered responsible, or applying even
   longer prepending for parties one wishes to avoid using.  However,
   without coordination, these adjustments are only usable with peers
   connected to the local AS; the policy could be extended using e.g.
   communities.

   MED is next to useless in itself: with "always-compare-med" -like
   option, it can be used to influence the path from between two routes
   of equally long AS-path -- but the path length was deemed a next-to-
   useless metric in 6bone, so this might only help if AS-paths are very
   short, e.g. 1 or 2 AS's.

   MED could also be used for some signalling, but communities are
   really better suited for the task.  They can be used to convey more
   complex policies too, but doing so will require coordination.

   It seems clear that using MED is generally useless when networks are
   operated as they should be ("production" scenario of connecting to a
   neighbor AS with more than one peering is naturally excluded).  That
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5.2.1. Example of Route Visibility Control

   In addition to the implemented example of 6NET communities, see
   below, one could sketch additional ones, like often used in IPv4.
   Some possibilities are show below.

   Communities consist of <ASN>:<VALUE>; these could be taken to have
   different applications.

   <ASN>:
     o The AS number of organization receiving an advertised route
     o The AS number of organization where a route is advertised

   <VALUE>:
     o Do not announce to any external peers
     o Do not announce to any external peers except your direct
       customers which do not perform transit
     o Announce to external peers only using no-export community
     o Announce to external peers and prepend N (3, 6, ..) times
     o Do not announce this route at all

   (Note that there are several vendor-specific problems with no-export
   communities, see Appendix A for more information.)  There are many
   possibilities; these are indeed just examples.  It is not the purpose
   of this memo to try to standardize (requiring IANA action) "well-
   known" communities; but either to give ideas what could be
   implemented in a non-global scope, e.g. regionally or locally, or
   come up with simple "if you don't know what to do, you can do this"
   -rules.

   If using the second interpretation of <AS>, there is one particularly
   interesting case which deserves additional discussion; that is
   coupled with the last bullet above, this could be used as "If you
   have a peer in <AS>, do not advertise this route to him at all".
   This attribute could be transitive (to the extent where communities
   are sent anyway) or non-transitive (cleared when <AS> is first
   "blocked").  This could be extremely effective in creating
   "blockades" around badly behaving AS's.

   It should also be noted that this kind of fine-grained policing could
   prove to be very useful in traditional 6bone routing context -- but
   that is what we try to escape: simplicity is very rarely gained by
   adding more complexity.








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5.3. Create Hierarchy and Control Transit

   One could try to create at least some hierarchy and remove some
   peerings; to remove transit as much as possible, or offer it to stub
   (or at least non-transiting) organizations only.

   For some this may be difficult, as people may not want to give up
   their "toys".  Unfortunately, for some others, the "toys" are really
   guns, some of them loaded.

   On commercial front, it seems unlikely that this would happen:
   competing interests are probably too much.  However, IPv6 is still in
   a start-up phase, so it might be still considered
   experimentation/reseach, and this kind of activity would be possible.

   But academic side could have some promise.  One example policy of
   6NET is discussed in a section below.

5.4. Continue as Before

   One should be able to get reasonably good connections by having a
   significant number of peers (e.g. so that every destination can be
   reached through 1-3 AS's) and adjust policies to prefer these as
   appropriate.

   But this does not help others.  If one wants connections, should one
   really be required to participate in this kind of "arms race"?  This
   appears to be an extremely harmful and morally questionable
   requirement.

6. Guidelines for Proper Routing Policy

   There are many ways to properly operate networks: this memo does not
   try to produce a definite recipe that must be followed.  Rather, the
   subsections below try to bring up issues that should be seriously
   considered when designing and operating IPv6 networks.

6.1. Guidelines for End-sites

   End-sites, usually obtaining a /48 assignment, do not really need to
   do much, as their possibilities in affecting 6bone routing are, by
   design, limited (common prefix filters do not allow them to advertise
   their specific routes).

   The most important things for the end-sites are to:






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      1. Ask their local ISP(s), both marketing and technical people,
         for IPv6 if they do not yet provide service: ISP(s) will not
         usually react unless there is an observed demand, and this will
         help in making production networks closer to reality.

      2. When obtaining IPv6 addresses/routing, if not possible from the
         local ISP, get them from some provider hopefully as close
         topologically as possible.  For example, trans-Atlantic or
         trans-European tunnels will just degrade performance.

      3. Due to designed restrictions regarding advertising more
         specific routes, usually obtaining two connections doesn't
         really help much and may cause problems if the ISP(s) implement
         ingress filtering.  It's better to just use one for simplicity
         unless there are special reasons to do otherwise.

6.2. Guidelines for Small or Medium-sized ISPs

   The definition of "small or medium-sized ISP" is purposely left
   vague; but often one could characterize them as Internet service or
   connectivity providers whose main business is not providing transit
   to other sTLA-level organisations (in the IPv4 world).  Vast majority
   of pTLA's and a majority of sTLA's can be considered to belong to
   this loose category.  However, the organization is always assumed to
   have an sTLA/pTLA.

   This kind of organization is typically big enough to be significant
   in a regional scope (e.g. country), but not in itself in the global
   scope.

   Therefore the benefit (for the whole Internet) of having such an
   organization establish peering relations with others all over the
   world, just for itself and the customers, is small.

   These kinds of organizations must seek transit providers to create
   hierarchy: when there is enough hierarchy, the branch can be
   considered globally significant.  The most natural action would be to
   find these from the IPv4 upstreams, but that may not always be
   possible.  If not, as above, it's always good to try to underline
   that IPv6 transit service is something that's needed.  There are some
   organizations in the community which are often willing to perform
   transit free of charge, though, too.

   sTLA/pTLA's must seek these local transit providers and try to get
   connectivity through them; after that they can first change their
   other peers to non-transit mode, and then even remove the non-local
   peerings completely.




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   In this way we achieve:

      1. Some hierarchy is created, and these "transits" are less in
         number and can be interconnected more easily.

      2. There is less need to provide "fully meshed" transit to all of
         your peers as you have your hierarchical transits which handle
         it except for locally connected peers.

      3. A huge number of completely useless, long tunnels can be
         removed from these "globally insignificant" sTLA/pTLA holders.

   At the very least, the following should be carefully considered:

      1. Changing most (or some) current peerings from transit to pure
         peering: advertising own routes with no-export community, and
         accepting only the peer's AS-number (and possibly its
         customers) by a simple AS-path access list (or something
         similar).

      2. Disbanding especially "long tunnels", in particular if these
         include providing transit.  If they cannot be removed, some
         extra measures like AS-path prepending (outlined in sections
         above) should be implemented.

6.3. Guidelines for Transit sTLA/pTLA's

   "Real" transit-providing organizations should consider whether they
   could provide limited transit to other organizations too, at least
   initially.  For example, research organizations could be able to
   provide research-to-commercial and commercial-to-research transit for
   others too, but fully commercial might be unacceptable due to higher-
   level policies.

   Organizations whose main business is not providing transit service,
   but having adequate infrastructure to do it at some scope, could also
   step up, providing transit until enough "real" transits are
   available.

   Transit providers should be especially careful that they do not make
   the problem worse: it is important to control the routes sent by the
   smaller organizations they provide transit for using some mechanisms,
   like AS-path access lists, prefix lists, or having the smaller
   organizations add pre-agreed community tagging to mark routes.

   Transit providers should also be careful when interconnecting with
   other transit providers: this should be done natively, or over short
   tunnels if necessary.  Long tunnels, especially if no AS-path



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   prepending is done, should be avoided at all costs.

   To re-iterate, especially when providing transit for others, care
   must be observed so that it is done in a controlled fashion.  Transit
   networks are in the key position when applying and forcing proper
   policies on 6bone: working together, they might be able for force
   some of the more "irresponsible" pTLA/sTA's to act in a more sensible
   manner: together they might have much more power in the arm-wrestling
   match against the 6bone routing mess.

7. Example of Controlled Transit in 6NET

   6NET [6NET] is an EU project with about 30 participants, mostly
   national research networks; there exists native IPv6 infrastructure
   (initially STM-1) between the partners.  In additions, partners
   naturally have their own connections to other organizations, ISP's,
   etc.

   6NET has implemented a community-based tagging scheme [6NET-D13] and
   is in the process of expanding it to accomplish some goals outlined
   above for transit operators and small-to-medium sized ISP's (national
   research networks).

   The idea is as follows.  Most partners probably have a few peers
   locally (in the country or the region), either natively or through
   tunnels.  The partner can advertise all 6NET routes (from other
   partners) to such peers with no-export community.  Also, to not to
   make routes more unidirectional as one has to, the partner also
   advertises the AS of the peer and possibly the peer's local customers
   (but _not_ transit routes) to 6NET, for the enjoyment of other
   partners.  Community-based tagging is used to be able to have any
   partner decide whether it wants to take part in this or not (ie. to
   discard specific routes or deny his prefixes from being advertised to
   foreign ISP's), and to ensure traffic from one ISP to another does
   not leak through the research network.

   The advantages should be self-evident: every partner can take
   advantage of others' good connectivity to others' peers, and there is
   much less need for tunnels and a large number of peers.

   The scheme can be extended to other networks too: to add proper
   certain communities and preferences to routes learned through other
   networks (like commercial transits, other research networks, etc.)
   and that way the benefits of good, native connections can be more
   widely realized.  Perhaps then commercial pTLA's/sTLA's would need a
   lot smaller number of tunnels and transit services (at least to
   research organizations).




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   Something similar could be done in other networks too.  The key is to
   build something that prefers local (hopefully native, but short
   tunnels are also okay) connections and disallows any uncontrolled
   transit.

8. The Role of 6bone in the Future

   In the operational community it has often been argued (by the author,
   too) that 6bone should be disbanded.  However, there may be some use
   for it yet, but mainly for connecting stub or non-transiting sites or
   pTLA's -- to enable the interested people to get IPv6 address space
   for testing easily, before getting "production" addresses.

   So, the role should change from addressing and routing to only (or
   mainly) addressing.

   A good question is where these stub/non-transiting sites/pTLA's would
   get transit from -- who would offer them that.  There must be
   solution for this if this path is to be adopted.

   One solution would be getting that from one of their ISP's (or their
   ISPs' upstreams), or secondarily, from some willing third parties.
   In some cases this may not be possible though.

   Ideas for the ways to proceed would be appreciated.

9. Acknowledgements

   The ideas presented have formed during the years at 6bone and
   discussing the issues with numerous people: many forgotten and too
   lengthy to list here.

10. Security Considerations

   Operational routing practises like these have few, if any, new
   security considerations.  Current practises can be seen to cause a
   high amount of availability problems, though.

11. References

11.1. Informative References

   [6BONE]     "6Bone -- testbed for deployment of IPv6",
               http://www.6bone.net/

   [6BROUTING] Rockell, R., Fink, R., "6Bone Backbone Routing
               Guidelines", RFC2772, February 2000.




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   [6NET]      EU IST-2001-32603, "The 6NET Project -- Large-Scale
               International IPv6 Pilot Network", http://www.6net.org.

   [6NET-D13]  Mohacsi, J. (Ed.), "Operational procedures to be
               followed by organizations connected to 6NET", 6NET
               deliverable 1.3, http://www.6net.org/publications/
               deliverables/D1.3.pdf, June 2002.

   [BGPCOMM]   Chandra, R., et al, "BGP Communities Attribute",
               RFC1997, August 1996.

Author's Address

   Pekka Savola
   CSC/FUNET
   Espoo, Finland
   EMail: psavola@funet.fi

A. Some Vendor-Specific Problems with Communities

   There are a few vendor-specific issues the author has noticed with
   the use of community tagging, and they're listed here.  If others are
   aware of any others which might severely impair the use of
   operational procedures listed in this memo, it is encouraged to bring
   them to attention.

   There are two relatively serious long-standing feature requests in
   Cisco IOS BGP implementation that will cause some setbacks when using
   inter-AS communities:

     o When a route with a well-known community (like no-export) is
       received from an eBGP peer, the route is propagated to iBGP
       without the community unless "send-community" feature has been
       configured for all iBGP peers.  Note that this behaviour seems to
       be in violation of [BGPCOMM] definition of e.g.
       NO_EXPORT_SUBCONFED: "All routes received carrying a communities
       attribute containing this value MUST NOT be advertised to
       external BGP peers".

       One fix is making send-community the default for iBGP sessions
       (CSCdk38549).

     o When a route with a well-known community (like no-export) is
       received, it may be inadvertantly deleted or overwritten like any
       other community (e.g.  in the process of scrubbing the routes
       clean of communities).





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       One fix is requiring some explicit deletion for these communities
       (CSCdt21886)

   A partial workaround for the first problem (which is assumed to be
   much more serious and widespread than the second) would be to use
   "no-advertise" rather than no-export.

   An operative workaround, on the other hand, would be always ensuring
   that the peers' AS has send-community enabled for all iBGP peers if
   Cisco equipment is being used.









































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